“She charged us to wrap our bowls in plastic? But I don’t even want plastic around my bowl,” I said to Lynn after paying my portion of our lunch bill.
“I know, but it costs them money to clean the bowl for us,” she explained.
“Yeah but, that’s sort of an occupational hazard that comes along with owning a restaurant, don’t you think? You have to provide clean bowls. Are you saying that if I brought my own bowl and chopsticks, I wouldn’t pay a bowl cleaning fee?” I retorted, coming off a little more annoyed than I meant to.
“Yes, and I don’t know what to tell you; this is China, that’s just how it is.”
Lynn repeated this to me a few times over the next few days when I’d say things like, “What, there’s no running water here?” or “Why is there never any toilet paper anywhere, but there’s always too much extra food leftover, bowls wrapped in plastic, and free tea?
This kind of confusion came to define my time in China, which was a bemusing, delicious, beautiful, challenging, and overall incredible two months of traveling.
China is an anomaly for a lot of people. It seems that Western tourists who visit usually come away with one of two impressions: either they love the raw travel experience or they hate the difficulty of it. Traveling in China is truly traveling – not just laid back tourism. It can be disorienting, incredibly confusing, and completely different from anything most travelers previously have or will ever encounter again.
Personally, I was thrilled with the opportunity to practice the Mandarin I had learned in Taiwan (albeit 6 years earlier with no practice in-between) and found myself loving some things and simply unable to grasp others. While this list is by no means exhaustive, and of course only one girl’s opinion, this list is what really stuck out to me as new and different in China:
The Awesome
Generosity
The Chinese people I met were some of the kindest, most generous people I’ve ever encountered. Generosity is ingrained in their culture and is especially evident at meal times. A typical meal in China is eaten family style, meaning that everyone has his/her own bowl of rice, and the rest of the dishes are communal and placed in the middle of the table, allowing everyone to try each dish that’s ordered.
It’s also quite common to serve everyone else at the table tea (which usually comes free with the meal) and rice before serving oneself. This courtesy extends to refills as well.
What is perhaps the most surprising is how people argue over who is paying the bill – not because nobody wants to pay, but because everyone wants to pay! I’ve seen people almost get into playful fights shoving money at each other. I have never been treated to more meals than in China. I truly felt like a valued guest there.
Helpfulness
The Chinese people were also often generous with their time, kindness, and patience, often going completely out of their way to help me.
More than once someone has taken it upon him or herself to walk me to my hostel or bus stop as well as give me a free ride, or ask me where I’m going in an attempt to help me if I appear lost.
I’ll always remember the hotel that let me stay in the room overnight without paying when I couldn’t get money out of any of the functioning ATMs. I won’t forget Patchu who wandered for an hour to get me on a bus to Moxi, either. These are just a few of the countless examples of people helping me out when they could.
Physical Touch
“I don’t think American girls do this,” my friend Stephanie said as she looped her arm through mine while we walked along the sidewalk in Chengdu. “We don’t but we should,” I replied. In China, friends of all ages from young to the very old, and of both genders, hold hands, link arms, and show affection in ways that we seem scared of in Western culture. It’s really nice to walk along arm and arm with a friend, especially on a cold day.
Hostels
The hostels in China must be amongst the best in the world. What you get for your money is just incredible. Most run only $3-$6 dollars for a bed with a heated blanket, clean sheets, a nice bathroom with hot water, lovely grounds, and a good location.
Beautiful Scenery
Whatever background you come from and set of beliefs you subscribe to, however you believe the world was created, I think most would agree that a little more time was spent on China.
The Annoying
Pushing
China is damn crowded. This means people push and shove when trying to get onto a train, into an elevator, onto the metro, and especially onto a full bus. There is no sense of “you were here first, please go ahead,” or, “I see you have been waiting, it is sensical that you order your food before I do.”
At first I was annoyed, but then I realized if they wanted to push and shove, at about a head taller than everyone else in the crowd, the pushing game is one I would most definitely win. Elbows up, suckers.
Spitting Everywhere
The spitting. Oooh the spitting! It happens anytime, anywhere. Busses are even equipped with buckets for people to spit into.
The peace and silence of the most tranquil evenings have been ruined by the sound of someone hocking up a loogie.
False Advertising
From the chocolate-less “choco” cereal bar to the countless bottles of “soda” water that were without bubbles, I was disappointed by the packaging more than once in China. My friend in Chengdu watched and laughed hysterically as four different times I said, “This! This will be the one! It says soda water!” (it even said it in Chinese, mind you) only to open the bottle, take a sip, and hang my head in defeat at the flat, sweet drink.
Talking about the Waiguoren
Waiguoren literally translates to “person from an outside country,” and happens to be what every foreigner in China gets labeled. Where I’m from, it’s incredibly rude to call someone a foreigner, but I am not from a mostly homogeneous society where it’s very clear from outside appearances who is and is not a citizen. Therefore, I try not to mind the label.
What I do mind is when people talk about me thinking I can’t understand. A few times in Kunming, I was silently sitting on the bus, minding my own business, when a local boarded, pointed right at me and laughed, “ting bu dong!” (which means “can’t understand”). At first I’d reply that, oh yes, I could understand. It wasn’t as gratifying as I wanted it to be, so I simply gave up when I didn’t have the energy to reply.
I’m sure I get talked about all the time in other countries I visit as well. It’s just that elsewhere, I don’t speak any of the local language and I can’t understand.
Table Manners
The slurping, chewing with the mouth open, and worst of all, speaking with one’s mouth full, are all completely acceptable in China. It drives me bat sh*t crazy! I recall someone asking me a question right after I had shoveled food in my mouth and watching his bewildered expression when I held up a finger to signify, “one minute, my mouth is full,” before replying.
This is one of those areas where there’s a big cultural difference that I just couldn’t get used to, though I’m sure there were numerous things I was doing that they found rude or strange that are completely normal to me as well.
No Water
Sometimes in the towns along Tibet, there was simply no running water. I was in these places to trek, so that meant I was sweating every day.
By day two without showering I was pretty upset, feeling dirty and entirely glad there was nobody around who I was trying to impress. By the third day I stopped caring, and by the fourth day I didn’t even miss showering anymore. I was used to being dirty. Who needs a shower anyways?
Amateurs that’s who.
Downright Scary
Gutter Oil
Gutter oil is essentially waste oil collected from sewer drains, grease traps, and slaughterhouse waste and is repackaged and sold for about 2/3 of the price of new cooking oil. In fact, it is estimated that one out of every ten restaurants in China uses gutter oil.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that this stuff is toxic. It has even been linked to stomach and liver cancer when consumed over long periods of time. When eating in China I ask to see the oil if it’s not already on display. The fresh stuff will look like what oil should while the dirty stuff will look grey and disgusting
Extreme Waste (packaging and food)
There’s a lot of waste, especially surrounding food. The amount of good food that goes uneaten during meal times is enough to feed an extra person or two. It makes me feel very guilty when I’m the guest at a meal and am in no position to criticize the generosity, but am horrified by being party to so much waste. The US might be famous for portion sizes, but it has nothing on China. Doggie bags are also unheard of.
Additionally, there is far too much packaging. For example, a roll of mentos has three layers: a plastic outside, another layer of plastic inside, and a layer of foil. Oreos also have an extra tray in each roll to keep them solid. Most shareable snacks are wrapped in individual wrappers inside of the large bag. It’s too much.
Squatters
Most bathrooms are only equipped with squatting toilets, or a simple cut in the tile. The partitions between stalls are sometimes knee-high, and there are no doors. In short, there is no privacy. Don’t even think about expecting toilet paper or a place to wash your hands.
It’s not a big deal until you come to a town with no running water. Imagine an overfilled squatter. Yeah, pretty grizzly.
Extreme Pollution
The pollution is so bad in cities like Beijing that it sometimes bars planes from being able to land. That’s pretty intense!
During the three weeks I spent in Chengdu I saw the blue sky twice and rarely saw the sun. It’s truly unfortunate because the city is a great place and one I could otherwise see myself spending more time in.
The culprit is all of the mass expansion. In any given place in Yunnan and Sichuan provinces where I traveled, there was constant construction everywhere. What’s strange is half of the buildings I saw didn’t seem to be in use.
Taking Children Outside to Defecate
Is that dog crap you’re about to step in? No, sir, that is human child feces, which somehow makes it even worse.
I still can’t understand why I saw parents bringing their children outside to poop on the sidewalk.
Why? You have a toilet in your house!
This waiguoren still felt honored to experience a culture I’ve learned about and wanted to see with my own eyes for years. The good absolutely outweighs the annoying and scary, and I will most definitely be returning, squatting toilets, table manners, and all!
Have you been to China or other countries where you have trouble understanding the culture?
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Dariece says
I LOVE this article!!!! We travelled through China for a little over a month and then lived there for a year. You hit the nail in the head with everything 🙂 thanks for explaining China in such an honest way. And you’re right, the good far outweighs the bad!
If u want, have a look at these lists of ours
http://www.goatsontheroad.com/10-things-well-miss-about-china/
http://www.goatsontheroad.com/things-we-dont-miss-about-china/
Kristin says
Haha, some of your points had me laughing.
Kristin says
I don’t doubt that speaking Chinese was a massive game changer for me and led to things that most tourists don’t have the ability to experience. I’m hoping through my detailed guides that can change. I’ll also be making a video with some common dialogue to help out anyone who wishes to travel there.
Emily says
I can’t wait to visit here in September. Just bought my one way ticket to Beijing! It’s going to be insanely challenging but I’m looking forward to it. Now I just need to get my butt into gear and learn some Mandarin. Great article!
Lu says
Haha it’s been 6 years passed, how was your Beijing’s trip? Everything gose well?
Wish you had a good memory,
Greeting from a Beijinger in China 🙂
Alexis Kensey says
Wow so much I didn’t know about China! I am headed to India and Nepal this fall so I imagine I will run into a lot of similar things!!
Kristin says
I’m in Nepal now and don’t feel there are a lot of similarities apart from the spitting. They’re very different cultures and both quite amazing in their own right.
Franca says
Thanks for your honesty! I didn’t know that the hostel in China could be so good, who would have ever thought that? I’ve never been to China but I don’t think I could deal with the excessive spitting and the noise they make while eating, that might just drive me a little crazy!
Kristin says
I had no idea the hostels would be so excellent, either! I was really impressed.
Lisa - Wee Wanders says
Sounds like quite the experience and one that you won’t be forgetting anytime soon! My travelling buddy really wants to visit China after we explore Southeast Asia and explore the possibility of teaching there…it looks like a very interesting/different/incredible place.
Kristin says
I headed there after about a year spent traveling around Southeast Asia and found it so exhilarating in comparison. It’s a lot more raw and challenging and it’s quite wonderful. You never really know what you might run into or see and that makes it so interesting to me.
Anna says
Love this post – all too often travel bloggers only talk about the beautiful, glossy parts of a destination. My first trip outside the west was to Shanghai and I still remember being completely confused, frustrated but exhilarated and entranced from the culture shock. Then I was hooked so I went to India which was even more challenging but life changing and totally worth it. For me, this is why I travel – to experience something completely different from our own culture, warts and all! If it was all easy it wouldn’t be nearly as rewarding!
Kristin says
I am so interested in India! I’m with you – traveling in China and India is truly traveling and that’s the whole point of this thing for me.
Rika | Cubicle Throwdown says
I love that you showed three different sides. All I can picture when I think about China is the ‘annoying’ category…it’s not very high on my travel list. Maybe somewhere far away from the cities! (And, um, kids pooping outside when there is a toilet inside? Did you ever get any clarification on this? Whaaa?)
Kristin says
I love the rural areas of China but I loved Chengdu as well, which is a pretty big city. They both have a lot to offer.
Amanda says
Yup, this sums up China pretty well!
I will NEVER get used to the table manners, the spitting (and blowing snot rockets) in public, or the kids pooping on the street, though…
Kristin says
I’m with you. Some things I just can’t get used to. I do miss yelling for the boss when in a restaurant, though. It was so efficient!
Jen Seligmann says
I certainly learnt a lot reading this post Kristin. While I knew that things were a little different in China I didn’t really realise just how much. I suppose they probably think that things we do and our way of life is odd too. Despite some of those not so nice things, I believe they add to making the travel experience unique.
Kristin says
Definitely agree. They make China what it is – real traveling in a very different culture with lots to teach us foreigners.
Kristin says
I trust the street food more because you can see them pouring the oil from the fresh containers into the pans. It’s all out there for you to see. In a restaurant is where you wouldn’t notice it.
Frank says
Ha! Great post, you made me laugh at times and then totally grossed me out with the Gutter oil and shitting on the sidewalk. My mom (who spends half the year in Chiang Mai, Thailand) regularly sends me links to Thai newspaper stories, many of which chastise the increasing number of Chinese tourists. There was a famous photo in one of a Chinese woman squatting and doing a number 2 in one of Chiang Mai’s canals. There’s a real backlash in Thailand against the Chinese who they consider rude and dirty.
Nice to read about some of their better qualities though!
Frank (bbqboy)
Kristin says
Chinese tourists get a bad reputation around the world but they truly do have some amazing qualities and I think, like any group of people, everyone is different and the group often gets blamed for the bad eggs.
Nicole Webb says
Absolutely love this post! I’ve been living in Hong Kong for a few years and only been to the mainland a few times, but I definitely get where you are coming from. You hear stories about this stuff like children defecating outside and think it can’t be real (or at least common)! It’s a nation that intrigues me. I just wrote a post about why Chinese Tourists are getting such a bad rap. Cheers!
Kristin says
Hong Kong’s great, but it truly is nothing like mainland China! I saw the defecation. It’s real! Real gross.
Jeremy says
You know, I hated most of these things about China, but after so many months there, I learned to love them.
I found it so strange, but also weirdly liberating, to drunkenly walk home holding hands with a new male friend (Chinese, of course). Granted, he grabbed my hand and wouldn’t let go of it, but it felt freeing because I didn’t actually have to be “scared” of anything! It’s totally normal there!
And don’t even get me started on my first experience in a public restroom!
I’m glad you’ve grown to love China as much as I do!
Kristin says
It is really nice holding hands with friends! I saw old ladies holding hands as well and thought it was the cutest thing. They seemed to cuddle even more in Nepal!
I definitely love China.
Jonny says
The spitting is what drives us mad, on night trains, and even in dorms. We had one guy in Chengdu who every half hour would wake up everyone by his hocking then spit it onto the wall beside him. Gross. Can manage it outside but inside??!! We’ve found the women here usually lovely but the men, especially in dorms, can be very ignorant and disgusting. Amazing beautiful country, the scenery is incredible, makes up for lack of manners ha ha
Kristin says
That’s excessive. I think the spitting is from all the cigarette smoking. I find both men and women can be very nice but there are always bad eggs.
Adam P. says
Potty training in the streets — nice! I also heard that Chinese like to clap their hands..a lot. Something to do with acupressure points, I presume..Have you noticed this?
Kristin says
There’s an exercise involving that. Might be some merit to it!
Nomadic Boys says
Some great tips. But gutter oil? Are you for real? Yikes 🙁
Did you also have a palava trying to get the visa? (We are going in Aug/Sept after the trans siberian from Russia).
Kristin says
Gutter oil is for real, sadly, yes. I didn’t have an issue getting a visa nor extending it but it wasn’t cheap.
Heather says
Oh yeah, this was my life for two years. Though in Shanghai the locals were a lot less friendly and helpful than they are out west. I used the same tailor the whole time I lived there and every time I walked in her shop she would call out “ting bu dong.” All I could do was smile and chuckle or else try to find a new tailor. I found living there to be equally fascinating and frustrating.
Kristin says
How rude! I guess that’s just how it is, though, huh? Glad you could still enjoy your time and laugh it off. That’s all you can do sometimes!
Ming says
Interesting article, It’s always fun to read WAI GOU REN’s article about traveling in China, most things you’ve talked are common and true. I am from southeast of China, and one thing I may have different opinion, the name ‘WAI GOU REN’, in our culture, use this word is nothing offensive, China is big, and very diverse, people like use geographic name to label people, If I were traveling in ChenDu, the people there may label me as FUJIAN REN(because I am from Fujian Province), I don’t feel offensive at all, same rule applied, my ChenDu friends came to my hometown and visited me, my mom always call him: the SiCuan Boy/Girl. So don’t feel bad on that name. if you tell they you are from America, they may call you ‘MeiGou Ren’.
The education has changed entire Chinese society, splitting and outdoor defecating was done by everybody there(not only the kids), but now, most young generation doesn’t do that. People always need education, then they will know what is right and what is wrong.
I am living in New Jersey, and go back to China every year, if you like, you can come to my hometown(FuJian) to experience different China, different food, weather, and crowd.
You can always ask me what is Chinese thinking about things. I’d like to share.
Kristin says
Thanks for your comment, Ming! I know Wai guo ren is not meant to be offensive, it’s just that in American culture (as I’m sure you know since you’re in Jersey), it is an offensive word. I knew it wasn’t meant that way when it was said about me, though. It just takes some getting used to.
C says
I’m Asian American, who’s now living in Asia for a short while.
Your blog’s awesome, good job!
I’d like to add to your interesting commentary and the subsequent dialogue there. Perhaps it might be different in SoCal (as I’ve heard), although Americans may generally be less forthright in labeling a minority a foreigner outright, there’s no shortage of expressions directed to minority Americans and minority foreigners in the US, that communicate to us that the white American majority decides that we are condemned to be perpetually outsiders, based on race.
I’ve lost count on the number of times people assumed that I couldn’t speak English, that I wasn’t American, and I’ve even had guys who passed mildly offensive remarks while hitting on me, as absurd as that sounds. When I told somebody that I was divorced and my ex was white, that person even asked me if my ex “was much older and Asian women like older white men”, I remember feeling so shocked that I paused before telling him that actually my ex is younger than I am.
I don’t know if it was because I was raised a lily-part region of America (the Midwest) and in one of the whitest states there (Missouri) that exacerbated things..maybe it isn’t so bad in other regions? My experience has told me otherwise. Northeast. South. Midwest. They’re all the same. I think California and Washington are the only places in the US that are notable exceptions.
Make no mistake. Racism directed at minorities in American is expressed differently than in Asia, or Europe, or Australia, because every place is unique. The racism that Americans wreaks on minorities, in particular Latinos and Asian Americans isn’t quite the kind of traditional racism Americans are familiar with (ie the racism experienced by Black Americans). Neither is it the same passing racism white people think they “endured” when traveling or teaching in Asia. It is far more insidious, masked as cruel or subliminal jokes, or simply just seeks to make Americans of other races feel like foreigners. And maybe that is intentional.
I used to think that only white Americans do that. But I’ve also come across white Europeans doing that. Of course, there are good and bad people in all races. But watching any white person complain about racism and accusing Asians of being allegedly “more racist” than anybody else they know or “more racist than what we can imagine in our civilized western world” always makes me chuckle. Nobody has the racism market cornered, but white people should be the last group to say they are slouches in this area.
Kristin says
Hi Cheryl,
I understand where you’re coming from, but unfortunately your comment here is actually inherently racist. I also never said that slurs are not passed in the United States. I know that they are. I just said that I was called a foreigner quite a bit, and that I realize in China it isn’t meant to be a slur as it would be in the US. That doesn’t mean I naively believe all white Americans refrain from using slurs. Even though I was not part of the ethnic majority where I grew up (because I am from Southern California and it is not majority-white), I am lucky that I wasn’t made to feel like an outsider where I grew up. I can imagine that must be very tough. Please don’t insert meaning or words into my post where I didn’t put them, though. I am not comparing China and the US, and I never called anyone racist in this post.
Jiang says
I’m Chengdu ren (you went to my hometown) now in So Cal, love your post, and admire your courage to travel abroad alone.
Being a Chinese some of your words really touched me.
Kristin says
I’m glad to read that you love the post. I loved Chengdu!
Sdirks says
I loved this post! Like you, i spent several months living in Taipei, though it was almost thirty years ago. I studying Mandarin at the time as part of a master’s degree in East Asian history.Taiwan was similar in may ways to what you describe. Things like the wrapped bowl happened all the time.
After six months there my visa ran out and I needed to get back to the US to finish my degree, but I spent a month in Hong Kong and the PRC before I went home. Travelling alone in China at that time was not as easy as it is now. Hitchhiking by gringos was very much frowned upon, if not actually illegal. While the list of cities and towns to which I could travel was fairly long, much of the country was legally accessable. Even in a big city like Xian or Beijing there were only a few hotels and hostels which non-Chinese (a term which included people from Hong Kong and overseas Chinese) could stay in.
I did travel by boat, bus and train from Guangzhou to Xian to Beijing and made some friends, mostly Chinese, along the way. My Chinese was good enough bybthat point that I could carry on simple conversations, though nearly anyone who could speak any English at all wanted to try to use that instead. Generally people were very friendly and generous, even in a big city like Beijing. The manager of the hotel I stayed in there would come sit down at my table every day to chat while I ate a meal. Then there was sort of odd young woman whom I met in the trainstation somwhere who wanted to have a very serious conversation with me about the wise and great leadership of Chairman Mao.
By the time I got to China I had gotten used to the more annoying things you talk about (the spitting, table manners, etc) but one thing I really found hard to deal with was the fear of drafts people seemed to have while riding the train. I was there in July and it was pretty darn hot. In spite of that, people keptall the windows on the train shut. When I would open one people all around me would give me the stink eye. Another was the litter. The ground all over places like the Forbidden City, the grottoes around Luoyang,the wall around Xian was covered with cigarette butts, food wrappers, popsicle sticks, etc. Taiwan was like that as well.
Kristin says
Wow, I wish I could have seen it 30 years ago. I also lived in Taiwan and find it almost nothing like China. Trash is definitely still a problem in China, unfortunately. I didn’t know about drafts. That might be why the man behind me didn’t like the window open on the bus, but he was smoking…on a bus, so, Im sorry Pal, window is getting opened.
sdirks says
Well, imagine those big broad avenues in Beijing with almost zero motorized vehicles on them. I remember seeing a cart pulled by a camel in either Xian or Beijing; I can’t remember which now. Beijing was actually eerily quiet for such a large city. I had spent quite a bit of time in Bangkok a couple years before and contrast between the two, which were about the same size then, was pretty marked.
Yvon says
Stumpled upon your blog through Twitter and I can so relate to this post!
I have been living in China for 4 years now and there are things (like your last point) that I won’t be able to get used to. Ever.
Kristin says
I still find myself missing China a lot!
Rebecca Chant says
Amazing! Reminds me exactly of the month I spent in China. I would love to go back and explore more! Despite the toilets… and people picking their ears with their fingernails…
Kristin says
The toilets were easily the scariest I’ve ever encountered. I don’t think they can even be called toilets. That’s really saying a lot considering the places I’ve been!
Chris says
What a great post.
I can understand how you could either love it or hate it. A bit like India really.
Kristin says
So i’ve heard!
gshuks says
please also realize that they were nice to you because you are a wai guo ren and wanted to leave you with a good impression, they aren’t actually like that genuinely and towards each other if you are not family, friend or close relation. don’t look too much into the kindness/generosity, it ain’t real
Alex says
I actually have a somewhat different experience about china. altho i LOVE hong kong, i just cant fall in love with china with all the craziness and nonsense. that said, i think china is a country worth visiting.
i love hong kong. its a fusion of east and west. i understand why it could a bit too much for some people, but i just love it. theres more americans than i thought! growing up in illinois/indiana, i didnt get to make many friends born to an immigrant family (im a 2nd gen chinese american). it was hard sometimes cuz no one understood the culture tension i had with my parents. but there, i made friends with so many asian americans who love hong kong/cantonese culture and also identify with my american heritage/value! hong kong is just THE place and i definitely want to live there for at least a couple years.
i then crossed the border to mainland china. my first stop was shenzhen and then i went to guangzhou where my family is from. I like them both. to my surprise, people didnt order more than we could eat and they packed there leftover home. i didnt see no one defecating on the streets either. not many spitters either (more in beijing. becuz of the pollution there?). i was okay with squatters tho (cuz japan also has some squatters (not a lot). they call it Japanese-style toilet. toilets we see in america are called western-style toilet)
shanghai was pretty nice too. but i hate how racist they could be. i learned some surviving mandarin. i tried to ask for directions in chinese and got yelled at for no cause! i then explained in english that i was raised in america and couldnt speak chinese. he smiled (out of nowhere) and reached to my hand. I was like, dudeeee, wtf?? he took me to where i wanted to go. i had no idea wtf just went down there. i was later told i was treated better cuz he realized im a foreigner. ( couple days later, it was on the news that a japanese guy lost his bike which was immediately found by shanghai’s finest. some of my chinese friends told me that was only becuz he was japanese) i also dont like the hatred some chinese had against japan i saw in nanjing, a city south of shanghai. cuz i have been to japan three times and thats one of my 2 fav countries in asia (another one is thailand).
beijing was just too much. i loved the traditional chinese castles. but the pollution and spitting!? to top it off: deep fried insects. ewwwww. but i cant complain too much about beijing either cuz thats where i met my roommates/good friends i now live with in boston!
before i went to china, i had a 7 day layover in japan. i met a new yorker at a bar in tokyo who had spent 5 years in japan and warned me to expect some craziness, surprise and culture shock in china, especially i was going from japan.
people say manhattan real estate is like check-in at an italian airport: theres no rules. i say living in china is like watching a japanese game show: i never know what is going on. but people in china enjoy more freedom than i thought. people could still find there way to western media or fb. people were nice to me, which is great but thats just becuz i m a chinese american from america: i felt kinda bad for other chinese, including my parents, who were mistreated by the country. maybe i didnt stay long enough. i do want go visit rural areas in china/southeast asia. i would like to do business in china but to live there? nahhh.
Kristin says
The rural areas are where you’ll see more people using the sidewalk as a toilet. Definitely found that quite strange, but I’m not judging, just observing. I have heard and in these comments have been told that the way I was treated was because I’m a foreigner but I traveled with Chinese locals and they were treated the same as I was, so I think you get out what you put in, that’s what I always say.
Monique says
I came across your blog a while ago when I was thinking about traveling south east asia, and now i return with a massive plan to travel asia and am so glad you came across china! speaking to an aunty who visit the place, her having chinese in her, she found it the most difficult country to travel through. i just wanted to know if it really is as expensive and if the language barrier really is a massive issue?
i really want to go through all the beautiful places like Guilin and Xian and Hangzhou, but how difficult is it to travel through China with little to no chinese language skills!
Kristin says
The thing is, I do speak Mandarin so it wasn’t nearly as hard for me. Because of this, people would take me under their wing or tell me secret places to visit, or invite me to meals, and that wouldn’t have happened without my ability to speak. Definitely learn at least some. Pleasantries and numbers are the most important. I was thinking of making a video with survival Mandarin to help anyone looking to travel there, because it is difficult otherwise. Would that be something that you’d like?
The places you mention are more firmly on the tourist trail, though, and people travel there all the time. It just won’t be as easy as Southeast Asia, but honestly that’s part of the reason why I loved it so much.
Anonymous says
That’s an useful post. I’m preparing for a trip to China, and keep telling myself that it is not so different from India. But gutter oil is something new.
Kristin says
I’m sure it’ll be plenty different but if you’ve successfully navigated India then you’ll do just fine in China.
China Hand says
I lived in China for nearly a decade, and my appraisal of the country, people, and language is unremittingly negative.
Until the Chinese begin to behave in a way that does not run counter to every civilised norm in countries such as Vietnam, Nicaragua, or Russia, then they shall have a deservedly poor reputation. Note I do not compare them to Norway, Canada or Denmark – that would be a cruel joke.
Kristin says
It’s too bad you left with such a negative viewpoint after living there for so long. I found there were two kinds of travelers in China: Those who fought against the differences and resented them, and those who embraced the new culture and tried to learn and be a part of it. I don’t think of the Chinese as rude because in that culture the things that are rude are different than in other cultures. That’s ok – the same is true for American behaviors abroad. I found other things, such as the hospitality and generosity, to make up for what I initially found to be rude.
I also really enjoy the language, love to practice it, and think it’s so sensical. Like building sentences with building blocks. It’s fascinating.
Nathan Chang says
China hand, do the Chinese a favour and never go back, you close minded tool.
China is a take it or leave it country. Its global stature and economic dominance means that It doesn’t NEED western tourism dollars like the SE Asian countries do, and therefore marches entirely to its own beat.
One day soon enough, a rich Chinese family will displace you from whatever comfy, western neighborhood you live in and then we’ll see who gets the last laugh.
Stinky Nathan Chang says
Nathan Chang – shut up you brain dead fool.
PS you stink of shit and have obviously never used toilet paper.
smith smith says
Hahaha, I loved the “elbows” remark.
I’m 6’1″, so I discovered that for myself as well. With my arms crossed at my lower chest, they are level with everyone’s faces. When I’m the first one off the subway (in the middle like I’m supposed to), I can hear all the people trying to push me back exclaiming “aiyaaaa” as they ram their own faces into my elbows. They are supposed to wait and enter from the sides after everyone exits from the center.
smith smith says
I would also recommend to everyone to learn to speak and read as much Mandarin as you can, it’s not that difficult, and it only gets easier.
It’s great fun to preemptively strike against the people who would otherwise be saying obnoxious things about you, by talking loudly in Mandarin about THEM, first.
I’m not even that great, I can’t read novels without heavy use of a dictionary yet.
Kristin says
I’m probably at the same level as you and I agree it’s not that hard. I don’t know why it has that reputation because the language is quite simple and doesn’t even require conjugation. I love that. I guess it’s the tones which I’ve noticed some foreigners never manage to master, but it’s all about listening over and over (and over)
Kelley P. says
I absolutely loved reading your take on Chinese culture. We experienced many of the same things during our travels two years ago. This is so wonderful what you’re doing and I’m extremely jealous of you!
Kristin says
Aw thanks Kelley. I found overall that I really appreciated the culture and the hospitality, despite the sometimes frustrating and confusing parts 🙂
niranth says
yes…chinese ingenuity….now some scavengers in india also picked up this technique and making biryani with gutter oil…its downright scary to say the least…
BuddyRJ says
—the slurping, chewing with the mouth open, and worst of all, speaking with ones mouth full— I am not sure if this is Chinese culture, but i tend to think this is a bad habit–peasant like behavior. I am the 4th generation of overseas Chinese, and I remember my late Grandpa would give me a scold if i did that when i was young. As overseas Chinese, we did not go through the PRC cultural revolution that destroyed most of our cultures and replaced them with the peasant like ones. Mind you, we are not rich or somewhat high class, we are small shop-owner and Grandpa can read Chinese characters but not highly educated or like that. Our family meals is pretty much like what you described, but when we have guest among us, we would have extra spoon or chopsticks for all to use instead of our own.
QIN says
yeah ,I agree with you , I think this is bad habit, I am chinese ,also hate people chewing somthing with mouth open . It will be seen as an uncultivated behavior